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PAUL: I haven't really met anybody in the leadership, but I have met a lot of the new fresh men that the tea party elected. And I can tell you, the 87 new fresh men, there's a bunch of them that want more significant cuts. There's a bunch of them that realize that Social Security and Medicare are teetering in the balance, and so, I think you'llCharm bracelet a lot of boldness and a lot of brave new people.I've met several I think are really good in the House freshman class, and I'm not saying anything negative about others. I've just met a lot in the freshman class who I think are ready for some changes.NAPOLITANO: Switching gears slightly. Will you vote to raise the debt ceiling if the $500 billion cut is not there or if a balanced budget amendment proposed by your colleague, Senator Lee, is not there?

PAUL: I can't imagine voting to raise a debt ceiling, unless, we have a balanced budget amendment in place, also want statutory caps in place in addition to a balanced budget amendment, soCharm bracelet sale immediately start doing something good, and, I think that you really have to have some kind of structural change. We have to start cutting spending immediately, but it can't be 2 percent. Thirty some odd million dollars cut in one year is a 2 percent cut of what the deficit is. Deficit is 1.5 trillion.APOLITANO: RightPAUL: You can cut 30 Elsa Peretti on sale for years and years, and you'll never ever get close to balancing the budget. So, if there's somewhat incongruence to say, many Republicans are for a balanced budget amendment, but they're going to fix it by cutting 32 billion. They don't fit together. They don't jive.

NAPOLITANO: Doesn't make sense to me how we can borrow more and spend less, but that vote is coming. We'll be interested to see the outcome. Senator Paul, it's a pleasure. Thanks for joining us.PAUL: Thank you.NAPOLITANO: And while it's truly admirable that Senator Rand Paul is trying to make meaningful cuts to the federal government budget, my next Frank Gehry on sale has proposed an amendment to the constitution to take things several steps further. He wants to force Congress to write a balanced budget, and he wants the government to live within its means.Here now, tea party Republican senator from Utah, Mike Lee. Senator, you're a regular on this show. It's always a pleasure. Welcome back.